Berry Lake Artisan Well Feed Back

Some feed back about the artisan well in the town of Underhill.
To area residents and mostly the part time people of Berry Lake.
This pertains to the shutting down of the artisan well on the Franks school property.
Below is link to article

The artisan well at the old Frank School property on the corner of School
and Kelly Roads in the Town of Underhill was abandoned December 22, 2007. The well
had been running continuously since about 1912. In early in October 2007, an
anonymous complaint to the DNR about the well led to a series of exploratory
tests. Link full article.

I have heard some feedback concerning the artisan well and it does not seem to be positive.

Well, well, there are a lot of people that grew up on this lake, that were kids swimming on this lake, water skiing on this lake and just having fun together many summers of years gone by. Remember when Grandma Millie, Jackie, Don, Sandy, Dick, Dawn, John, Fred, Norma and a host of parents would let the kids have fun all summer long. The days when those kids would go to the artisan well to do????????????????????? I don't know what they did ( I was not around here at the time)? Those of you know who I am talking about . You were there, do you remember or have you forgotten your youth? What did you do there? Remember the fun and the memories you had there! Being at Berry Lake is also being at the artisan well, they are one in the same. They all are a part of ones youth, ones feeling of life we tell our children. Times have changed and people have changed.

We all get older and we think we are wiser in our old age. It is not wisdom that getting old gives us! It is your life's experiences that molded you, that shaped you, that formed your beliefs , that something that you pass on to the next generation.

We, of the baby boom generation are the self indulging, spoiled, self righteous, all for me and the Hell with the rest kind of people! We want everything now, we don't care about a lot unless it affects us! When there's nothing to benefit us ,we don't care. Some , not all indulge to the extreme! Tobacco , alcohol, cars, plains and trains, what ever we want, what ever we do it's to the extreme and its only for us! If it wasn't for the parents that may now be older and the parents that have long been gone, it is because of them that a lot of us are here. Did you ever thank them for what you have? For the hard work , the sacrifices they had so you would have what you have today.

I am truly disappointed. To me, it just shows how people simply don't care, they don't want to, hey, don't talk to me , just leave me alone.

The Town of Underhill is a small township. We don't have the services we would like but it is what it is. When we had a Gypsy moth problem , they helped us. When EWM arrived at Berry Lake they are now there to help us with the problem.

It would be nice if the people of Berry Lake and the people of Underhill could get together to save the artisan well. Something that has been a part of every ones life for so long. Yes for now it is capped off. Does anyone have the heart to reach out and help? Do anyone in this area care.

To you...... self righteous snobs on Berry Lake, you go ahead and do nothing. I am not talking to all but certainly a few! We will get a new well drilled! We will see the water flow once again. We will make Franks School a part of our history for all our generations to come.

Grandma Millie, Jackie, Don, Sandy,Dick, Dawn ,John, Fred, Norma and all the rest would sure be disappointed if we let our heritage die, to let our youth disappear, from the Alpha to the Omega, from our beginnings and to our end!

Can you think about the time when you were fifteen or sixteen years old at Berry Lake? Oh yea, I see that smile.

When someone asks you for advice, or asks for your help, maybe you can do something, anything, think about it!

The goal is to
drill a new well and
name that area a historical area
of the Town of Underhill.
Won't you join us?

You can contact me at psocha@centurytel.net

Contest

If the Packers win and Dallas looses,

Name something Jim Doyle should wager
Eliot Spitzer in a Packer Giant
NFC Championship game,
or what Eliot Spitzer should wager Jim Doyle.
(see related post "Nice Job Gov" below )

Coho Salmon again,

Cheese,

A Wisconsin Supreme court decision.

Winner gets an ata boy.

I'll post any clean but good entries as they come in.

Nice Job Gov.

From the Green Bay Press Gazette.
A fish , couldn't he think of maybe a gal of milk?

Posted January 12, 2008
Doyle tosses fish into Packers bet
MADISON — Gov. Jim
Doyle Friday upped the ante in a friendly wager made earlier this week with
Washington Gov. Chris Gregoire on today's playoff showdown between the Packers
and the Seattle Seahawks at Lambeau Field.
In addition to putting Wisconsin
bratwurst on the line, he has also promised to include a freshly caught Lake
Michigan Coho Salmon if the Seahawks beat the Packers. If the Packers win,
Gregoire will send over Cougar Gold cheese, produced by the Washington State
University Creamery.
— Press-Gazette

Well, well, well, Nice that the gov is betting brats and coho salmon.
My hopes are that Diamond Jim will not have to pay the bet, all eyes on the Pack today.
But let us all have some fun and ask some intriguing questions.

Question 1, which Wisconsin brat would he give to the gov of Washington? Would Klements or Johnsonville or Miesfeld's or any of the other fine brat makers in Wisconsin have to be in a bidding war on who can give the most to Doyles campaign war chest. I can just hear it , "you tell Franks to up the ante, Jims meats is giving me $ 20,000.00". " and you tell Larry's over in Cecil that they still owe me for that state grant we gave them"!

Question 2, Who is going to catch the Coho if it is to be a fresh fish? " George ( some rookie WDNR officer) you go to Sheboygan and take the dnr boat and catch me a coho", " and don't come back till it's big one"! " I don't care if your on vacation, you don't get the fish you'll be inspecting septic tanks for the next twenty years"!

Ok, O k, the stars are in alignment and the Packers win and the Cowboys loose, and we have the game in Green Bay next weekend. Diamond Jim and Eliot Spitzer have to make some kind of wager for the Packer Giant game.

What will the wagers be?

Diamond Jim, could,

A gift certificates of any Wisconsin tribal casino of Eliots choice.
A carton of any cigs so New York could make more tobacco tax on them than Wisconsin.
A gift certificates for any excavating by certain trucking company's in the Kenosha Area.
Any Wisconsin supreme court decisions of Eliots choice pertaining to New York casinos buying into Wisconsin casinos or any positive New York / Wisconsin ruling.
One students full payment scholarship to Wisconsin's new Embryonic Stem cell research lab.
New York ownership of any nuclear power plant in Wisconsin, Eliots choice.

Eliot could offer,

Use of any New York state trooper to spy on any Wisconsin Republican of Jim's choice for a period of 30 days.
Use of one New York state helicopter for Jim or his staff for one full year.
One New York supreme court descion on letting a Wisconsin tribe have access to any land for future casino in New York state.
Use of Eliots limo for Jim and his friends in New York city for a fun weekend of Jims choice. including ten free tickets to any Broadway show.

Ah, isn't it great to dream.

Interesting

HUMMMMMM, this is interesting?
Is this good or bad that foreign investors are propping up companies like CITI?
Are we truly in a global economy?
I remember the outrage that Japan was buying up our country back in the 70's, 80's , I'm not sure exactly when! You would of thought the world was ending.
I remember what, two years ago the outrage over Abu Dhabi or the UAE over the ports deal.
I can understand CITI is in financial trouble but is this good that China is bailing them out to the tune of 9 billion dollars?
Then we have Kuwait throwing in another 1 billion.

Citi
looks to secure further $14bn in new capital
By Henny Sender in New
York
Published: January 11 2008 22:02 Last updated: January 11 2008
22:02

Citigroup is putting the final touches to its
second big capital-raising effort in as many months, seeking up to $14bn from Chinese, Kuwaiti
and public market investors.

Under the proposal being discussed, the bulk of the money – roughly $9bn – would be most likely
to come from China, people familiar with the negotiations say. The Kuwait
Investment Authority would contribute about $1bn, while $2bn to $4bn would be raised through a public placement of
shares.

Wow 10 Billion!

As more US financial institutions raise capital from foreign sources,
largely from sovereign wealth funds, there is a growing debate about the
potential domestic political reaction, particularly during a presidential
election year.
Link to article from the Financial Times.

O K , I am not an expert in economics. I don't have a PHD from Harvard!
Is this good or bad? I don't know!
CITI needs money, the Chinese and Kuwaitis have money ( U S dollars from us buying cheep imports and expensive oil). Are we to blame for this happening? Are we the blame for everyone in the U S spending too much and for some not paying there bills, living high off the hog, you got to wonder.
I don't have the answers but I do feel sorry for the average American that cannot add 2 plus 2,
that holds Oprah Winfrey to a higher standard than our men and women serving our country,
to those who cannot understand whats really going on in this world. They listen to the MSM. They listen to the libs in this country! They expect Uncle Sam to take care of them ( cradle to grave)! Yea, Rush was right when he said that FDR's Social Security was one of the biggest scams of all time. Look at all the social programs in place now, and the libs want more! People are ignorant to issues, ignorant to problems, ignorant to the world in general!

Oh Yea, it's Bush and Cheney's fault.

It's the republicans fixing the voting machines in New Hampshire to have Hillary win.
It's people that sit on their brains and don't think with the one in their head! Oh she was crying, booo wooo, I think I'll vote for her.

Well ,this is a global economy and time will tell if things change or how things will work out.
How many of my close friends and family really understand or even care about what goes on in the world. I may not be very educated but there are times I think I have some common sense.

The upcoming elections in 08 are very important not only for the presidency , but also for state offices as well! We need to get the truth out and inform people on what is really good for them and make sure we don't have flim flame candidates brainwashing voters minds. Doctors, and black jack dealers beware ( Steve Kagen and Diamond Jim Doyle). Yea, I know Diamond Jim isn't running yet but his time will eventually come,
just like Dr K!
We need A collaborative effort to send Dr. Kagen back to private practice...

Feburary 9th,08 Pewaukee, Wisconsin

I have to tell you I am in a quandary!
I found this information on Defending the American Dream
from Americans for Prosperity

Help defend the American Dream in
Wisconsin!
Today, the
voices of average Americans are being
drowned out by lobbyists and special
interests. The result: policies that
are threatening to destroy the American
Dream – wasteful pork-barrel
spending, higher taxes, job-killing
regulations, and endless red-tape.

Link to the information


The gang of five is making me go through a mid life crises.
This is GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't know where this is going but it's all in the good Lords hands.
I 'm thinking of attending this event.
If you have even one ounce of common sense , look up the web sites.
All conservatives are welcome.
Even a lib might learn something and possible convert to conservatism.
Wouldn't that be a hoot.

NPR

Update 11:10 a m Sat.
Andy commented that since he didn't hear the show he wanted me to be a little more clearer on my comments. Sorry Andy, I did not tape it and will try to clarify as much as I can in Red. Comments in black are my original posts.


I cannot believe it, I am listening to NPR, Wow! I am a conservative and could not see myself ever listening to the left wing NPR. It's dribble most of the time. The money our tax dollars pay for NPR is a waste of my time and my tax dollars.

Not much but here's go ! No I'm not an expert, just my own thoughts and not all quotes are accurate. Just Paraphrasing.
Week in Review, 8 – 9 a.m., on the Ideas Network. 88.1 FM
Louis Fortis from the left and Jo Egelhoff from the Right

Late start, here goes. This is my first stab at live blogging, Andy can you tell?

The guy asking the question if a African American or a women can be elected president. - sounded like a professor from the UW system! Only thought it was some intellectual nerd trying to get on the radio!

Louis - (he's a lefty) what does Lilly white Iowa mean??????????????????
Seems a lefty can get away saying anything and a conservative would get thrown overboard!

Question about the New Hampshire election.
Jo, ( conservative ) GREAT answer on the electability issue! Character matters! See, it takes a conservative to make a valid true statement. To lefties, character doesn't matter. should I remind people of the blue dress.

Louis, ( lefty) wants a brokered convention- oh yea, he wants Algor!
You really can't make this up, ALGOR??????

Question was who's fault was it for the polls calling Obama the New Hampshire winner and Hillary winning after the vote.
The republicans are at fault for the touch screen conspiracy against Obama.
It's the dems vote and they blame the republicans , they wanted Hillary!
Always blame the RIGHT!
Wow, gotta love that!
CNN (Clinton News Network must be working overtime on the right wing conspiracy theory's).
Hillary said it was the vast right wing conspiracy back in 92!

Question about the state of the US economy.
Louis- ( lefty) state of economy- slowing, next year slowing down!
I thought he would blame Bush! More exports are bad?

Question was about how the accident in the fog by Madison was not as much of a story than some car accident in Florida.
Madison car accident headline in the news - Louis- (lefty) I don't really care unless we can blame society for it.
( paraphrasing )

Question was about the vote in New Hampshire.
Voter I D registration (Louis) ( lefty) -why is our turnout so low? Because the libs are just dumbing down society. Wow, there's no fraud, what about the fraud in Milwaukee. Yea Louis, did you remember all the Iraq's with there blue finger and we worry about cut tires and how many voters and collage students voting twice in two areas or two states!

Jo, ( from the right) good jab at the poll tax! Louis (lefty) took a jab at Jo about republicans liking or not liking a poll tax at election polling places.

Question was about who supports or does not support the states smoking ban.
Smoking ban- Louis- ( lefty) it's not an illegal substance.
Jo- ( from the right) good, throw it back at Doyle and the dems!

Question on Wisconsins min. wage.
Min wage - If min wage should go up , Louis, (lefty) why don't you give your thirty employee's a $15.00 raise? How about a $20.00 raise, how about $25.00. You a highly respected business owner, pay them the money! Why wait for the law to change!

These are only my comments and take no responsibility for phrases , comments or opinions.

Thanks Jo, ( GREAT Conservative from Appleton) you did GREAT ! We are glad we have someone like Jo in the Fox Valley.

P S Louis is from Milwaukee, don't know a lot about him, guess I have some homework to do.

Berry Laker

"Andy", I know this probably doesn't answer your question very well , but I am a novice and I really appreciate your comments.

8:00 am Today

Jo Egelhoff from http://www.foxpolitics.net/ will be on 88.1 FM in the Green Bay area, the Ideas Network this morning having a discussion with Shepherd Express Editor Louis Fortis, the show is Week in Review, 8 – 9 a.m.

I would think it should be a spirited debate.

Go Jo Go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

12 th Paragraph

Editorial from January 11th issue of the Green Bay Press-Gazette
When will the Green Bay Press hold Diamond Jim's feet to the fire?
You don't find Diamond Jims name untill paragragh 12.
HMMMMMMM!

Posted January 11, 2008
Editorial:
Second state
breach is inexcusable
There's a familiar saying: Fool me
once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame
on me.

How did the
government of Wisconsin fail to protect its citizens' Social
Security
numbers, not once, but twice?

A year ago, a contractor for the state
Department of Revenue mailed tax
booklets to approximately 170,000 residents
using labels emblazoned with their
Social Security numbers.
In an era
when thieves can empty a victim's bank and credit accounts armed
with a
name, address and Social Security number, the department's inability to
protect those numbers was nothing short of appalling.

Why does the
producer of mailing labels need that information in the first
place? And if
there is a legitimate answer to that question, how could the state
have
allowed the contractor to put the numbers on the labels?

Apparently not
enough people in state government took those questions
seriously, because
once again the privacy of thousands of Wisconsin citizens has
been breached.

The state Department of Health and Family Services confirmed Tuesday
that a
contractor mailed brochures to about 260,000 recipients of Medicaid,
SeniorCare
and BadgerCare — and their Social Security numbers were printed
on the mailing
labels.

What part of the message "This can't happen
again" was so hard to
understand?

A Social Security Administration
publication, "Identity Theft and Your
Social Security Number," assures
readers that the SSA never releases personal
numbers "except when authorized
by law," and advises that when asked for the
number, "You should ask why
your number is needed, how it will be used and what
will happen if you
refuse."

Those apparently are important questions even — or perhaps
especially —
when the state is asking for that information.

"We've
totally lost control of how government collects and uses and reuses
and
shares and disseminates information," said Carole Doeppers, former state
privacy advocate, in an interview with the Madison Capital Times. Doeppers
was
the head of the Office of the Privacy Advocate for its entire short
history: The
office opened in 1994 and was eliminated in the 1995-97 state
budget.

She thinks the Legislature should restore that office, which
actively
promoted the protection of "personally identifiable" information.
We wonder if
creating a state agency to monitor other state agencies smacks
too much of the
fox guarding the henhouse.

For now, Gov. Jim Doyle
has ordered all state agencies to review their
procedures for protecting
personal information. He also needs to explain why,
after the Department of
Revenue's unforgivable mistake, the Department of Health
and Family Services
still had inadequate procedures in place a year later to
prevent this second
incident.

Until those answers are forthcoming, citizens should be
especially cautious
when an agency of the state of Wisconsin asks for their
Social Security numbers
— and, as in any other transaction, you should not
give it out until you're
satisfied it's absolutely necessary and the number
will be protected.

I can just hear the editorial person say, "Oh, but we did tell you the gov ordered a review of procedures"! Yea right!
Will the gov fire anyone over this?
Highly doubtful.
Time will tell. Na, never happen!

Go Figure

Go figure , that Diamond Jim and his cronies can have their head up their butt soooooooooooooooo far that they cannot even read a newspaper article.

Did he also jump the gun on his Obama endorsement?

We'll wait for the retraction.

From the Green Bay Press

Posted January 11, 2008
Governor fumbles Favre news
Gannett Wisconsin
Newspapers
MADISON — Favre mania is so big in Wisconsin that even the
suggestion of the Packers quarterback returning for an 18th season had the
governor's office committing a false start.
After Brett Favre told the
Biloxi (Miss.) Sun Herald that he "would like to continue longer," Gov. Jim
Doyle's office issued a statement:
"Like all Packer fans, I am thrilled that
Brett Favre will return to action next year for the green and gold … with this
announcement behind us, Brett Favre and the Green Bay Packers can focus on the
task at hand: defeating the Seattle Seahawks on Saturday."
His return,
however is not a sure thing.
The Sun Herald quoted Favre as saying "this
could be my last game in Green Bay."
Doyle spokeswoman Carla Vigue said
Doyle's office made a mistake.

Non-endorsement

From Greg Pierce from the Washington Times.

Interesting that they are from Arizona.

Non-endorsement
Local 2544 of the
National Border Patrol Council, the largest union among the nation's force of
rank-and-file U.S. Border Patrol agents, has yet to endorse anyone for
president, but it is taking aim at one particular candidate, reporter Jerry
Seper writes in his immigration blog at www3.washingtontimes.com/blogs.
"We
will not endorse Sen. John McCain, even though he is currently representing our
home state of Arizona," the union local said in a posting on its Web
page.
The union said Mr. McCain "has never been serious about immigration
enforcement, and he has never been serious about supporting the Border Patrol,"
adding that the Republican senator has routinely "minimized and trivialized" the
illegal-immigration problem in this country. It said the only "solution" he has
ever offered is a massive new amnesty program designed to reward illegal aliens
who have succeeded in violating the nation's laws."

Kagen Watch

Catching up on this weeks mail.

Low and behold, it can't be,
no it really can't be,
no, no, it really really can't be,
Yes it can be, it is mommy, it truely is,
( that came from Miracle on 34th Street) !

A full color thick cardboard addressed to
"yours truly" or
"current resident.

A
Steve Kagen:
PROTECTING our families by securing our boarders.
newsletter.

I know a lot people have made some very good comments on this
but I would like to add a few of my own.

# 1 It says in the lower left corner
" This mailing was prepared , published and mailed at tax payers expense".
I know, I know, it has to be on there, but this is so worthless. This should of been paid out of his campaign fund! I am not well versed in McCain Fiengold but this looks like he's running for re election.

# 2 Back side, upper right corner.
"Above Rep. Kagen takes up arms and aims a pepper ball launcher, used by our Wisconsin National Guard in boarder areas".
A pepper gun, looks like a real gun to me from the picture. Did his staff make a mistake and call it a pepper gun. Couldn't they just not said anything? I can just hear Dr K talking to that gentleman at the time of the picture,

"A'm goen to get that girly man, ya, just like anold"

"Whese 's dat guy, i gottm in me sites".

# 3 I think his staff screwed it up again, this one is just too good!
below pepper gun picture
"Below, Rep.Kagen stands with our National Guard troops surrounded by confiscated drugs".
I hope his son wasn't there with him. Did they search everyone after they left the room?
Ya think they had other pictures of Dr K and our Nation Guard people? Maybe in a mess hall eating taco's?

You cannot make this stuff up.

Well bottom line,
the G man and his staff better keep this mailer because first, this should of been paid by his lackey donors and two, you will probably see these pictures in his campaign commercials.

I don't mind paying for important government information,
but this should be on Saturday Night Live.
AND WE PAID FOR THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks DR K, I laughed my _ rs off.

Update 9:32 am
List of sponsors of HR4088 "the Save Act of 2007
Dec. 17,2007 - Mr. Stearns and Mr. Visclosky.

Nov.9,2007 - Mr. Marchant, Mr. Fortenberry, Mr. Campbell of California, Mr. Conaway, Mr. Hall of Texas, and Mrs. Drake.

Dec. 11,2007 - Mrs. Cubin, Mrs. Emerson, and Mr. Wolf.

Where is Dr K's name?

Oh it reads "Kagen backs billgranting more boarder surveillance"

Oh, how stupid of me to think he is trying to take credit for someones else's work?
I know his voting record is slightly different!!!!!!!!!

Frank School Well Abandoned

From the Town of Underhill web site.

A big part of history to many in this area.

Never forget your past when going into the future

Frank School Well Abandoned

The artisan well at the old Frank School
property on the corner of School and Kelly Roads in the Town of Underhill was
abandoned December 22, 2007. The well had been running continuously since about
1912. In early in October 2007, an anonymous complaint to the DNR about the well
led to a series of exploratory tests.

The tests showed that the water
flowing from the well was excellent. There were no traces of bacteria and the
nitrate level was “too low to test.” Unfortunately a well is required to have
more than good water. It also has to meet many physical codes. The initial
inspection showed 4 items that needed to be upgraded. They all seemed very
minor; one being replacing the seal on the top of the well. However when a well
professional came to fix those minor infractions bigger problems arose. First,
the well casing was filled with stones. We thought “so what” the water still
runs and he put a new seal on the top of the well. This caused the water to come
up along side the casing. Very bad news, that means the casing has a hole(s) in
it and maybe deteriorating. A couple weeks later we met at the well to dig along
side the casing to try and determine its integrity. About 3 feet down there was
a hole in the casing, very bad news. We dug farther and did not find another
hole. A reason for hope. However, when we cut off the casing below the hole and
put a new seal on top of the casing, water still came up along side the
casing.Next step was to get those stones out of the well casing. The Town of
Underhill had to hire a well driller to do this procedure. (The Town of
Underhill needed to do this in any case because if the well must be abandoned it
has to be filled with concrete "to the bottom.”) We hoped, after drilling the
stones out, we could put a casing liner in the well. This idea led to yet
another problem. Normally when a well is lined the interior casing is 2 inches
smaller that the exterior casing. So a 6 inch well takes a 4 inch liner and a 5
inch well takes a 3 inch liner, etc.. This well has a 4.5 inch casing and there
is no such animal as a 2.5 inch casing. So we thought maybe we could use a 2
inch casing. This idea was workable but unfortunately lining the well did not
guarantee it would work properly.

We discussed many options (with their
associated costs, some costing over $5,000, and probabilities of success) and
sadly came to the conclusion that the well had to be abandoned. Note: the DNR
man who had to handle the complaint about the well was as disappointed as anyone
that the only financially acceptable option was to abandon the well.

We need the people of Underhill and Berry Lake to find a
way to get the well back to it's original form.
I talked to our town chairman and offered my help to get this going.
More details to follow.

Farm Update

Farm update - as a service to agriculture.

To all the small farmers that might read this or any blog.
All farmers are welcome except those corn growing ethanol farms.
You guys find another blog!
We accept all readers except those mentioned above!
Oh and I don't like those curly q light bulb lovers either!

From the Green Bay Press

Posted January 5, 2008
Manure application risky in winter
Wait until there's no rain or melting snow, officials say
Gannett Wisconsin Newspapers
MADISON — With rain and warmer temperatures predicted over the weekend and into next week, state agriculture and water quality officials are urging Wisconsin farmers to avoid applying manure if rain is forecast for their area or snow is melting or expected to melt.
Oh no, where are you libs on this!
"What we apply on top of the snow this weekend is probably going to run off and get in ditches and sinkholes," said William Hafs, director of the Brown County Land Conservation Department. "I really think people should hold off applying manure to fields this weekend."
I would hold off , (sorry cannot complete this comment).

I do want to thank the many small farmers that built this country.
But alas, most are gone!
Link to full article

Just A Comment

From the Green Bay Press
Posted January 5, 2008
Presidential campaign turns confrontational
New front-runners face tougher criticism
It's about time someone gets confrontational!
By DAVID ESPO and PHILIP ELLIOTT The Associated Press
MANCHESTER, N.H. — Barack Obama, an Iowa winner seeking New Hampshire spoils, faced stepped-up criticism Friday from Democratic rivals now doubly determined to block his rise in the 2008 presidential race. Republican Mike Huckabee claimed momentum for a hurried five-day primary campaign.

Yada, yada, yada then in the last two sentences

However the nominating campaigns end up, some Republicans were already fretting over Iowa caucus returns that showed 239,000 Democrats turned out and only about 116,000 Republicans.
My first question , can we believe these numbers?

Second, were all 239,000 dems from Iowa?
Not that I would accuse a liberal of voter fraud!

Third could some of the 239,000 libs be libs or maybe Republican cross overs?
I don't know , just asking some silly questions!
Where's voter I D ?????????????
"November could be dark," said GOP strategist Scott Reed, voicing a concern that others in his party expressed privately.
Oh no, we are on the DARK side!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Come on Scott, take care of your base like Fred Thompson
is doing and the election will be a for gone conclusion!
This conservative will not be hood winked into backing
a flip flopping, middle of the road, let's just get along with the libs
republican candidate.
Bring on someone with substance, with conviction, and with honesty.
Need I say more!
Maybe a diffrent day!

Link to complete article if you dare

HUMMMMMMMMM

From the Green Bay Press , Link

Posted January 5, 2008
Tribes won't shelter smokers from tax bite
Oneidas, others charge excise levy that jumped Jan. 1
My first question is what percentage of tribal members smoke some form of legal tobacco?
By Malavika Jagannathan mjaganna@greenbaypressgazette.com
Buying cigarettes or other tobacco products on Native American
reservations doesn't save users from paying the $1 hike in taxes
that went into effect on New Year's Day.

Wisconsin now has the nation's 12th highest cigarette excise taxes in the country, which means smokers are paying more for cigarettes, cigars and chewing tobacco no matter where they buy them. Twelfth highest in the country, it feels like the 1st or 2nd highest to me!

Tribes in Wisconsin — including the Oneida Tribe of Indians — charge the state excise taxes on cigarettes, which rose $1 to $1.77 on Jan. 1 as part of the state's biennial budget signed into law late October. O K, so they charge the new increase tax on tobacco!

But tribes have agreements with the state to collect refunds on the excise taxes paid by customers: 100 percent on cigarettes sold to tribal members and 70 percent on sales to non-tribal customers. For other tobacco products, it's a 100 percent refund on sales to tribal members and 50 percent to non-tribal clients, according to a memo from the Legislative Fiscal Bureau on the cigarette tax hike.
OK, I see the word "REFUND",
from dictionary.com
verb (used with object) Like Taxing Smokes
1.to give back or restore (esp. money); repay.
Who's giving back here?
2.to make repayment to; reimburse. –verb (used without object)
Who's repaying who?
3.to make repayment. –noun
The state of Wisconsin repaying the tribe?
4.an act or instance of refunding.
I'm getting lost on this, is the state collecting any money?
5. an amount refunded.
Oh, it's Diamond Jim and I think we lost something again!
The refund provisions essentially "encourage Native American retailers to sell only taxed products" and keeps prices on reservations equivalent to those in off-reservation areas.
Wait one minute, They charge same taxes but can give refunds. I'm sorry , this does not compute! So again I ask, if they're charging the same prices and someone is getting a refund then is the state of Wisconsin getting all the TAX REVENUE?????????????
Wait, you ( I mean me as in Berry Laker, not you the reader) idiot, read on!
As of 2004, eight out of the 34 states with federally recognized tribes have state-tribal tobacco sales tax collection agreements, including Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan.
O K that sounds nice.
Between July 2001 and July 2006, Wisconsin tribes collected more than $83 million in state excise taxes and were reimbursed for about $59.6 million — or 72 percent — of those taxes, according to the state Department of Revenue.
Lets see, 83 million - 59.6 million = 23.4 million dollars to the state of Wisconsin.

So they are charging the taxes but the state is giving
them 72 % of all money collected.
The state gave back 59.6 MILLION DOLLARS???????????????????

So the poor Native Americans have to use there own money to pay for the taxes on tobacco and the tribe gets the money back from the state! What do they do with the refund? Does each tribal member get a check for the amount of money they spend on tobacco?

Shouldn't tribal members not pay the tax. If they could save a $1.77 per pack, that's more money in their pocket for education, child care ,food, medicine, etc..
The Oneida Tribe of Indians does not plan to change its policy and will continue charging the state taxes, tribal spokeswoman Bobbi Webster said.
Will someone from the Onieda Nation ask Bobbi Webster for a check every year. Or will they ask where that refund is going? or do they have a system set up that tribal members skip the tax all together! Someone is getting this money.

Ah, you got to love this.

And yes I do go to casino's and partake in some minor gambling machines AKA (sorry only) quarter slots, sometimes dollar slots!

And yes, my protest agaist the state of Wisconsin was to quit smoking.
AAAAARRRR^%$%&*, I'm on DAY 5 , Thank you very much for asking.

Can You Believe It

As I sit here on Friday night, I think about my future endeavors.

I must truly be blessed to know new friends in this world.

People that I may not have meet face to face or not even talked
to over a land line or cell phone.

I always mean well but my luck has mostly been on the down side ( except meeting my beautiful wife)! I have heard that if you don't have bad luck, you wouldn't have any luck at all!

Times have changed and I can only hope I will do what is good , do what is right, and
do what goes with good character.
Character is doing something good when no one else is watching!

I'm a simple guy with simple ideas. I am passionate in my beliefs. I am not mean nor cruel but I am sick and tired of every ones opinions are O K but mine.

Time will tell if I can do someone in this world some good.

Time will tell when I can expand on my future to all that read this blog.

Geez, I think I'm up to five diffrent people reading this blog.
It will be no surprise to them!

It's time to rumble , let's rock n roll.

Stay tuned!

Playoff Predictions

My Predictions are a bit different than

Daily Takes


Pittsburgh over Jacksonville
San Diego thumps Tennessee
Washington beats Seattle
The Giants over the Bucs.

Gillett Boys Basketball

Gillett Tigers took one on the chin tonight 71 to 66 , something like that.

Well the Tigers ( maybe kittens tonight) seemed like they just started the season.
Couldn't handle a full court press , a lot of the kids looked tired.
Sloppy passing , Sloppy fouls, Sloppy play.

Oconto Blue Devils came to play

and Gillett forgot to show up!

If you men want to go to the dance ,

you better wake up and smell the roses!

Shake this one off boys and keep trying!

R I P Lee S. Dreyfus:

To one of our Governors of Wisconsin

Lee S. Dreyfus: 1926-2008

May He Rest In Peace.

I really do not know a lot about Mr. Dreyfus but all of us should be thankful

for him serving as one of Wisconsins Govoners.

May he be in a better place. God Bless his soul.

Link to JSOnline article

John Gard In 08

Just had a chance to look at Mr Gards web site.

It may be early and I may not be able to do a lot but I will do what I can.

"Help bring Wisconsin values back to the 8th district"!

Mr. Gard, "Bring Wisconsin Values Home"!

Let's RUMBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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